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Post by CoyoteCrunch on Mar 23, 2015 13:50:24 GMT -7
Looking really good!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 22:11:08 GMT -7
Thank Tom. Letting the body gas out completely. Moved to the engine. It's gotten flat black, gloss black, Spaz Stix Ultra Chrome and a clear coat. Still needs a wash to make it look dirty, possible a bit rusty.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 4:49:16 GMT -7
Don't ya just love sanding, smileyCASHS601_zps1c54a9c5 That engine looks good too mate.
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Post by jbailey on Mar 24, 2015 5:28:15 GMT -7
That chop is turning put well Joel! The engine is coming right along as well bud. Keep er comin!
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Post by wisdonm on Mar 24, 2015 9:45:12 GMT -7
Ice, I know you do great work, but that engine both has me confused and disappointed. What heads are those? They're not registering in the old thinkolator. Engines don't normally have intake ports in their blocks, so that gap between the heads and the intake manifold needs to be fixed, in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 10:20:51 GMT -7
Ice, I know you do great work, but that engine both has me confused and disappointed. What heads are those? They're not registering in the old thinkolator. Engines don't normally have intake ports in their blocks, so that gap between the heads and the intake manifold needs to be fixed, in my opinion. Thanks guys. I like this feedback Don. So this engine came from another kit. It's supposed to be a 421 v8. Heads were molded on and I decided to add the intake. Still needs the covers but they are pretty generic looking. Are you saying this intake would never work with this engine or are the gaps the only issue? Tell me a little more. Here's the engine with its original parts in that 36 ford.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 10:29:14 GMT -7
Should I use a log style intake instead? Now I'm wondering how wrong this is. Lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 10:37:31 GMT -7
i think it looks fine aside from the gaps Iceman...i'll have to go with Don on that one.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 10:53:09 GMT -7
Thank frank. Just wanted some clarification. I did a little more research and I'm going to try something to take care of the gaps. Also found that the parts pack has this same engine with a blown option. Will take a look and see if it offers more detail. But changes are coming
I really appreciate the feedback. I'm not engine savvy so this helps tons.
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Post by jbailey on Mar 24, 2015 11:11:57 GMT -7
I wasn't sure if it was a Pontiac, Olds or Caddy engine,but knew it had to be one of those lol. The Pontiac 421 was a helluva motor for its time. I would just add some styrene in to fill the gaps between the heads and intake. The beautiful thing about plastic is we can combine any number of parts to make what we think looks cool! I didn't want to say anything about it earlier since you already painted it and made it look so pretty lol.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 11:20:26 GMT -7
I wasn't sure if it was a Pontiac, Olds or Caddy engine,but knew it had to be one of those lol. The Pontiac 421 was a helluva motor for its time. I would just add some styrene in to fill the gaps between the heads and intake. The beautiful thing about plastic is we can combine any number of parts to make what we think looks cool! I didn't want to say anything about it earlier since you already painted it and made it look so pretty lol. No I get it. But I need this type of feedback to improve my skill so I always appreciate honesty. I might not always choose to fix something but at this point, I think I can still do so. If not I learn for the future.
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Post by jbailey on Mar 24, 2015 11:36:20 GMT -7
I wasn't sure if it was a Pontiac, Olds or Caddy engine,but knew it had to be one of those lol. The Pontiac 421 was a helluva motor for its time. I would just add some styrene in to fill the gaps between the heads and intake. The beautiful thing about plastic is we can combine any number of parts to make what we think looks cool! I didn't want to say anything about it earlier since you already painted it and made it look so pretty lol. No I get it. But I need this type of feedback to improve my skill so I always appreciate honesty. I might not always choose to fix something but at this point, I think I can still do so. If not I learn for the future. That's a good line of thinking Joel! I'm sure you'll get er fixed, but if not you'll know for the next one. You build great looking models and I'm sure this one will be another of those!
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Post by wisdonm on Mar 24, 2015 12:12:15 GMT -7
I see they are Pontiac heads now. The lack of valve covers fooled me. All you need to do is fill in the gaps between the heads and intake. Very critical in 1:1. Small pieces of styrene will do. My favorite for filling gaps, blending flares, and such is plunber's epoxy putty. A lot like JB Weld, but cheaper. Get in in the plumbing section of home improvement stores. Cut off a piece and knead it. Stuff it into gap. Smooth with wet finger. Sand if necessary. Will not shrink. Cured in about 15 minutes. Paint as needed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 12:24:42 GMT -7
Ok I feel better now. The gaps are an issue for accuracy. Thought the intake wouldn't work with this engine. I've done it before so, I wasn't surprised for the feedback.
I'm going to put that on my shopping list, Don. Thanks for the tip.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 14:33:55 GMT -7
i've used that product too Don, different brand but same stuff. have you ever had a problem with it not hardening all the way?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 14:39:31 GMT -7
Ice, Yes, the intake would have to fit tight to the head. See, the intake, the carburetors "feed" the intake to channels inside the intake that lead to the head, through these channels that lead right to the valves in the head, these openings allowing gasoline and air to pass into the combustion chamber as the piston is top dead-center, the ignition lights the spark plug, making the gas and air "explode" blowing the piston down. This causes the connecting rods attached to the crank to make it spin...... See: This is MY drawing and if you look, you can see/follow how gasoline and air travel into the engine, and makes it work WHICH in the end of this posting, you'll be ABLE to "watch" it! This picture is mine also, but WITHOUT my writing added to it! BUT colors are the same! WITH an "intake" in place! See really, a gasoline engine or even a diesel is essentially a "pump". The more air and gasoline you can pump into the engine the more power it will produce, HOWEVER saying this, is not just the case..... as NO engine is 100% efficient to this to get 100% the power from 100% of the gasoline and air mixture introduced into the combustion chamber. FACTORY drawing/blueprint dating from Chrysler Circa 1964! ---^ NOW to see it all work...... NOW granted this "GIF" moving file, is half a "Wedge-Head" motor (on the left) and half a "Hemi-Head" motor on the right! WATCH the colors as the movement happens! IF there was ANY gaps, the gasoline and air mixture from a carburetor or even a fuel injector would not make the travel to the combustion chamber! Its leak everywhere on top the engine and in the "valley" and the air well would be unseen The valley, has the "cam" there that pushes on the rods that actuate the valves open or closed, closed is done by spring pressure. Notice valve orientation! On the Wedge head (left side) they side-by-side. On the Hemi-Head (on the right) there front to back, in the Hemi-head that means there position, allows better "flow" which allows it to flow more volume faster, of both gasoline and air in, exhaust out of the combustion chamber. With the gaps you had, these channels or "ports" would not allow the gasoline and air to make it through the intake, to the head and into the combustion chamber. Which would not allow the engine to "run" at all! As that explosion,. is needed, thats what makes the sound you hear when your engine is running! Hope this helps!
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Post by stitchdup on Mar 24, 2015 15:24:24 GMT -7
Nice lesson Hemi, I learnt something tonight
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 1:55:43 GMT -7
Don't thank me. thank the man or men that created this insanely bulk of moving parts from a small simple explosion! I just have a really good idea on how it all works!
But to ask... -What was the lesson you learned? I have pics of that same GIF that are a bit "slower that way you can watch all the moving parts, better, this one was just sped up to show what happens, the harder you press on the accelerator pedal in the car!
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Post by stitchdup on Mar 25, 2015 2:41:59 GMT -7
Don't thank me. thank the man or men that created this insanely bulk of moving parts from a small simple explosion! I just have a really good idea on how it all works! But to ask... -What was the lesson you learned? I have pics of that same GIF that are a bit "slower that way you can watch all the moving parts, better, this one was just sped up to show what happens, the harder you press on the accelerator pedal in the car! I knew the parts for inside the engine, but I didn't see how they worked together. As in I knew the theory from reading about it, just seeing it in action made it simpler than reading it in a book. Confirmed what I thought I knew if you will.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 6:27:10 GMT -7
Hemi is asking "what did you learn?" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You kill me, bud.
Alright so I fixed the gaps issue and the paint is drying. Thought I had taken photos but I was wrong. I'll get some tonight.
I did get some pics for the third version of this build so go check it out.
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Post by CoyoteCrunch on Mar 25, 2015 7:36:33 GMT -7
Pretty cool lesson there Professor Hemi!! I like it, does help to simplify things.
Like you said, it is amazing how a handful of people figured out how to position multiple parts all around an explosion to acquire the same result: Harnessing energy, utilizing a volatile mixture, and keeping it all contained. Sure, still based from the simple steam engines, just a lot more dangerous! smiley-scared002
That being said - "Professor Hemi - might you pass me the Grey Poupon?"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 10:11:01 GMT -7
Well Ice there really is A LOT of parts to that its not just all in one, I asked what did he learn as what part of what I said did teach him something! See? Its not like the travel of the fuel is flow, this goes back to flow charts when building an engine, then you have efficiency, how much power to fuel consumption is used. Then you have cam, how much of the valve gear mechanicals do you understand.
Fuel intake type, how so, injection or carburetor, there ARE a lot of different aspects and parts of a simple engine even a lawn mower engine.... A LOT of sub assemblies! ALL are sort of seen here......
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 10:15:25 GMT -7
Pretty cool lesson there Professor Hemi!! I like it, does help to simplify things.
Like you said, it is amazing how a handful of people figured out how to position multiple parts all around an explosion to acquire the same result: Harnessing energy, utilizing a volatile mixture, and keeping it all contained. Sure, still based from the simple steam engines, just a lot more dangerous! smiley-scared002
That being said - "Professor Hemi - might you pass me the Grey Poupon?" LOL I'm FAR from a professor. Just know a little about a lot, but this one, I learnt from a very young age so. A lot of newer stuff tho, I'm totally lost on but the general idea from the old stuff is generally the same. But it is amazing at how the guys that designed all this and just dumped it all together and it worked, and still works how many years later? Those were the professors! Sadly, I am no professor, but I do know what I know..... Growing up around it, well teach the dumbest kid at least something if nothing else! running-around-smiley-emoticon Like John Wayne would say, "Life is Hard, its Harder if your stupid"
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Post by stitchdup on Mar 25, 2015 11:56:33 GMT -7
Hemi is asking "what did you learn?" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You kill me, bud. Alright so I fixed the gaps issue and the paint is drying. Thought I had taken photos but I was wrong. I'll get some tonight. I did get some pics for the third version of this build so go check it out. I try not to learn too often, it might push something important out. lol
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Post by AK on Mar 25, 2015 17:34:19 GMT -7
Hey John! Where can I get one of those half HEMI half Wedge engines! poke Seriously though, This may be a good time to point out what a "Hemi" is and why it's called such...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 20:40:49 GMT -7
Alright so I covered up the gaps. Was adding the covers when I R,eek reed I forgot to take pics. Here one. :/ the engine will not be staying chrome by the way. ...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 21:17:32 GMT -7
that should do it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 17:28:42 GMT -7
Hey John! Where can I get one of those half HEMI half Wedge engines! poke Seriously though, This may be a good time to point out what a "Hemi" is and why it's called such... Alan.....LOL I would hope those reading my posts by now they know what is what LOL Hemi meaning "Hemi-Head", which means the combustion chamber in the head is Hemispherical, (half a ball) and has intake and exhaust valves across from each other. Wedge meaning "Wedge-Head" is the combustion chamber in the head is "wedge" shaped.... Look at a hammer handle wedge that you'd pounrt into the handle to hold the handle onto the head of the hammer......The "profile" of this is the same shape as that combustion chamber in a Wedge-Head engine. The valves are NOT across from each other, they're side by side...... Then to REALLY confuse people Buick had something completely different called a "Nail-Head" V-8 engine! LOL Sort of the same as the Wedge-Head, BUT had a triangular shaped combustion chamber......BUT the "Nail-Head" name came from the actual size of the valves, as they were small so they called 'em "Nail-Head" as the size of a "Nails head"..... Were torque-y things too, but didn't have high RPM breathing as some of the rest of the same era!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 21:58:10 GMT -7
I did a bit of research and I'm thinking a rear mounted radiator. Any thoughts?
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