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Post by Grandpabeast on Nov 16, 2013 14:51:22 GMT -7
My friends, its has been brought to my attention by a number of members that perhaps we would get more participation if we tried to get some of the members that feel intimidated and dont want to post /or enter contests. There has even been talk of not letting winners compete in the month after they win just to try and encourage participation. Well....Ok time for some tough love and please let me hear your feed back.
First I think we have some of the best model builders I have ever seen here on this site , heck I even feel intimidated ! I know that I normally walk away with several awards when ever I enter a local show, yet I have not won a single MOTM or been in the winners circle for Bracket Racing yet!
As a matter of fact there was one time my car did not even get a single vote....because even I thought the other car was better. And that is exactly what I am talking about. Dont have such an ego that you can not see when you are not the best.
Second, no matter where you go all contests are pretty much the same, at some point you can no longer compete with the "Kids" and you must move to the Adult or Senior divisions. And trust me no one will ever take pity on you there. Here we are all pretty good guys and I dont think any of us would be anything but supportive of any modeler ( if they were they would draw my wrath ). i see alot of members posting builds that are great but I cannt make them join the contests, I wish they would. Could you imagine how fun bracket racing would be if we had 40 contestants and 80 or 90 voters !
lastly if you would like we would like we can try a Jr MOTM and a Jr Bracket Race, but I would impose a rule that says if you win a jr event you must move to the big show. You will only ever get better if you push your self and if you compete with the big boys then you will pick up tricks and before you know it you are the one winning the MOTM !
To anyone that feels their kits are not good enough, or are intimidated I challenge you to please enter, and when you do ask us to critique your build, you will get honest , helpful advise from some of the best modelers in the world and trust me they will all be trying to help. This site is a no drama, no bullying , no bad guy site and i will do anything to keep it that way.
Thats my promise, lets hear from ya !!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 17:28:34 GMT -7
Well said, Beast! Constructive criticism is a great way to improve your skills. Although my only win since starting this forum is in Bracket Racing, I'm hoping to win a MOTM before next year ends. No hope for this year. Haha. We have a great Tutorial and Help section but if what you're looking for is not there let us know. Lots of folks here wanting to help. Every build, I learn something new and when I compare to other builds, I can see where I need to improve. Lots to I prove but these contest are so much fun. Most of them come so close. We needed a tie breaker this last one.
"Patience my dear Jedi, you must have."
Hope to see you guys at the start line!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 17:43:46 GMT -7
I am hoping to put your beliefs about the group to the test next year. :-) My models are not great, probably not even good.
Going to be building one for one of the 2014 contests I hope, not sure which subject yet. I missed out on a couple for this year I would have liked to do.
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Post by Skip-O-Matic on Nov 16, 2013 22:04:49 GMT -7
This seems like a discussion that needs to take place.
I have picked up through some of the posts that there are some of us that don't feel like we are up to competing in the contests or even just posting some builds.
I have a local long time friend, who just registered on here recently, but hasn't posted anything yet, and he has said it to me that he doesn't feel like his builds can compete. Well I can tell you he is wrong, because I know his abilities and feel he is superior to mine, and I found out in both the October contests that I must not be a total hack by winning both MOTM and the bracket race, which is in stark contrast to my first MOTM the month before not getting a single vote, including from myself.
I am going to tell anyone who feels intimidated to participate that you need not worry about it. You just need to do it. You can only truly learn by doing, and if you make mistakes so what. Anyone who has never made mistakes hasn't really learned anything or improved their skills. If you don't win so what, you will have some comparisons to learn from to hone your skills to what you want. Do it for the fun and entertainment and forget about the glory or what others might think.
As far as the winner not participating in the next month's contest, you may want to consider the fact that some folks are building ahead on the MOTM and may have consecutive months already built and then won't be able to enter a build they have finished because they won the previous month. Just a thought.
Divisions may be a better idea? Only you are creating much more work for yourselves not to mention are you going to have prizes for each division as you do for the current contests. I am sure you have thought about it, but I am just bringing up things for consideration.
I'll be thinking about this now and if I come up with anything else I'll be sure to post here again, not that I will have any solutions, I just like to bloviate.
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Post by wheaton79chris on Nov 16, 2013 23:14:58 GMT -7
Hey guys this will be the first motm I will be entering and I've been here fir a while. While I still don't feel my skills are anywhere near good enough at least we have to give an effort sooner or later. AND I WILL WIN MARCH ACCORDING TO THE HYPNO TOAD  |
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Post by Grandpabeast on Nov 17, 2013 5:52:04 GMT -7
Ok , alittle feed back and it all seems to be positive. Russ I am a man of my word and I can assure you that we will not stand for anyone bad mouthing any other member or his builds. We are all here to learn and become better builders. Skip and Wheaton both touched on "you have to jump out of the plane to parachute if not your just a passenger on a plane!"
We have a help section, we list How Tos, and like i said ask and we will come running !
If there are any members new or old who feel intimidated, please give us a chance ...I think you will be really surprised at how nice and helpful we can be. Just dont get us wet or feed us after midnight !!
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Post by Grandpabeast on Nov 17, 2013 5:53:09 GMT -7
HYPNO TOAD !? Chris have you been in my fridge ? !!! LOL !!
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Post by AK on Nov 17, 2013 6:03:24 GMT -7
Hey guys this will be the first motm I will be entering and I've been here fir a while. While I still don't feel my skills are anywhere near good enough at least we have to give an effort sooner or later. AND I WILL WIN MARCH ACCORDING TO THE HYPNO TOAD OH NO! Not the HYPNO TOAD!!!! Let me withdraw my March entry now! getting sleepy... getting sleepy...geting sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee... HA HA HA! Hypno toad, Good one Wheaton!  AK |
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Post by AK on Nov 17, 2013 6:24:55 GMT -7
Beast, do you think it may be helpful for some of us to post some of our disasters? Maybe even a "worst thing I ever built section"(no judging or awards) This would just be to bring us down a notch or two in the eyes of some of our friends who think we only build super models. I have one that I have saved over the years. It's the first "serious" build I ever did. Man is it ever bad, but you know I entered it in a local show and got a lot of good feedback! I don't look down my nose at modelers that aren't as skilled as myself because (1) I keep this reminder as to where I once was and (2) there are now and always will be modelers with better skills than my own. I'll try and take a few pictures of it this afternoon and post them (weather permitting, we're suppose to have sever weather here in Middle Tennensse today. AK
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Post by CustomMuscle on Nov 17, 2013 11:09:03 GMT -7
Please guys I want to add I feel so honored to ever win anything anywhere. However I would rather never win anything ever than to discourage a fellow builder in this hobby. Guys we are involved in an art form that is hopefully making a come back in our culture. We need to encourage younger builders and our own children to get involved. For several several years at the school where I taught I had a model club for the students every day after school hours trying to encourage them to use their hands and minds for more inspiring reasons than to blob out on line or playing computer games. The results were amazing...the looks on their faces after completing their own builds was beyond description. I am mainly here to share in my fellowship with fellow builders. Please know I have had my share of failures which I really have learned more from than successes. If it wasn't from studying other advanced builders productions I would have never learned. If I never had tried and been open to teaching I would haven never progressed. Please know I would love and be honored to help anyone who asks. I have been there as a beginner and felt the reluctance to ask or get involved but please DON'T LET THAT STOP YOU.....because you will be missing out on a wonderful experience and fellowship. I am disabled to the point that movement especially walking is so painful I rarely get out. I haven't competed in a model car show for more than 8 years due to that. Places like
JERRY'S is a big connection to the world for me. Please know though as thrilling as it is too win something it is much more thrilling to me to encourage or help a fellow builder. Please I ask you join in do the best you can and learn the most as possible. My Blessings to all of you. Jp
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Post by wheaton79chris on Nov 17, 2013 13:18:40 GMT -7
HYPNO TOAD !? Chris have you been in my fridge ? !!! LOL !! yeah I was Grandpabeast I ate the really dark green stuff |
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Post by wheaton79chris on Nov 17, 2013 13:20:32 GMT -7
AK I figured a couple of you guys would like that lol
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Post by Grandpabeast on Nov 17, 2013 15:12:12 GMT -7
oh no not the dark green stuff !! LOL !!!
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Post by AK on Nov 17, 2013 17:37:01 GMT -7
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Post by CustomMuscle on Nov 21, 2013 5:02:14 GMT -7
Well Ak I gotta say your early build here sure looks a lot better than any of my stuff. It was REALLY BAD BABY !!
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Post by Grandpabeast on Nov 21, 2013 6:46:20 GMT -7
Yea... I had some really glue bombs ! NCIS could have gotten a full set of finger prints just from the glue on the paint !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2013 12:15:48 GMT -7
I agree AK. If that was one of your worst I don't want to see your best. :-)
Please notice the smiley.
That isn't a bad looking model, I am striving to get mine that good!
Russ
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Post by Grandpabeast on Nov 21, 2013 14:27:47 GMT -7
The whole point of this little peep talk was to encourage some of the newer members , who may be intimidated, to join in to some of the contests. I really appreciate all the feedback from my regulars, but i was really hope to hear from some of the members that are intimidated. I would like to talk and address their concerns. I am not perfect, but I would like this site Jerrys Cherrys to be the perfect site for everyone. I strive to make this a playground for all to have fun and to keep it free of drama, bullying and intimidation and if someone feels that way i want to do everything I can to address it. I would love to see more participation in all of our contests !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 8:17:54 GMT -7
GPB: I don't think this issue is solely centered around new members. If you remember; you, Ice and I had a discussion concerning the rules about MOTM contests and the pre-competition secrecy. I lost a total of 4 builds due to the fine print (IMO) concerning the fact if you, as a new member or even average member have to take a multitude of special precautions in order to qualify for MOTMs.
I like to build models and I have friends here. I enjoy sharing my progress and answering questions on techniques to help others as well as asking myself. Whether it be fear of plagarism pre-MOTM or keeping entries under wraps for some other reason, I have now bowed out of MOTMs because I feel the rules undermine the "friendly" nature of the site. We don't award big enough prizes to encourage underhanded activities and now that our upload feature is gone, it's just not worth it. I have precious little enough time as it is to build without bringing in photo-resizing and installing a new app. I'd rather Paypal Jerries $10 a year for pot to pay for our old upload mechanism.
For those who are physically able to dedicate more time and don't have a family to support, I hope participation increases. Maybe new members will spend more time lurking and improving builds until they gain confidence to join the fun.
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Post by Grandpabeast on Jul 19, 2014 16:58:07 GMT -7
Mitchp I need you to be more specific about what rules your taking. In MOTH you build per the theme and each theme has rules. If the theme was pro street your car has to be pro street if not it doesnt fit the theme. Now alot of memebers feel they cant build in one month, that is fine. This is why we put out all the themes at once. Pick the ones you want to build and build them, all we ask is that you start with a new kit or rebuilder and you document your build. Keep your pictures in a file and when that month arrives then you can post pictures as fast or slow as you want. Also while the pictures are on hold dont post the finished car here or anywhere else. If we see it before the month it built for it is no longer a new build.I dont know of any fine print and I would ask what was the reasons for you losing four builds? We dont change the themes for 12 months so I wonder what the problem is. I would like to hear the reason.
This thread was started because some of the newer members did not feel their builds were as good as some of the people winning. And heres my response to thatwe were all beginners once. As you build models you get better, as you learn little tricks you get better,entering contests will make you better. Just recently during the anniversary build we had some guest judges and their critiquing of the models seemed harsh but thats what we want. I took everything they said and I will use that the next time and be a better modeler. Me and IceMan started Js Cs with the thought that we older and maybe better builders could help , show and answer questions of the younger , less skilled builders. I think we do a great job of that. It has stalled but I was doing a tutorial on altering the wheel base and building a gasser. I would like to think that it help somebody. and with that I asked all members to both help the younger and for the younger to take a chance and just enter. I entered a lot of contests before I ever won a prize.
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Post by CoyoteCrunch on Jul 19, 2014 20:48:27 GMT -7
I can honestly say, I was, and still am intimidated to a point. BUT I do like the fact that every question I have asked on this site was quickly answered with no non-sense answers that made sense. And that was, and is much appreciated. As far as the contests go, you bet, I'm in!! I'm not in for winning, I'm in just to be a part of a something. Its kind of like the car shows we go to with our Camaro, we in no way can compete with those original 69's, but just to be in the same company, on the same stage so to speak is honor enough, and to be a part of this club, this site, with everyone here, has been an honor, thank you everyone!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 21:23:39 GMT -7
Without trying to blow my own trumpet, i think i am a reasonable good model builder, but i still have a lot to learn to get any where near where some people are. I like the build offs, because, like on the Road runner i am doing now, i am going that little bit further than i usually do,it is an ENJOYABLE challenge. Like CC said, everybody is helpful, and i also am not in it to win it, i just want to see where i am, so to speak, and i am enjoying building alot more when there is a goal to shoot for. I would encourage those who are not sure, to get in and have a go, feed off what every body else is doing, and before long, you will be looking forward to the next build off. ENJOY BUILDING GUYS.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 21:41:26 GMT -7
GPB: I don't think this issue is solely centered around new members. If you remember; you, Ice and I had a discussion concerning the rules about MOTM contests and the pre-competition secrecy. I lost a total of 4 builds due to the fine print (IMO) concerning the fact if you, as a new member or even average member have to take a multitude of special precautions in order to qualify for MOTMs. I like to build models and I have friends here. I enjoy sharing my progress and answering questions on techniques to help others as well as asking myself. Whether it be fear of plagarism pre-MOTM or keeping entries under wraps for some other reason, I have now bowed out of MOTMs because I feel the rules undermine the "friendly" nature of the site. We don't award big enough prizes to encourage underhanded activities and now that our upload feature is gone, it's just not worth it. I have precious little enough time as it is to build without bringing in photo-resizing and installing a new app. I'd rather Paypal Jerries $10 a year for pot to pay for our old upload mechanism. For those who are physically able to dedicate more time and don't have a family to support, I hope participation increases. Maybe new members will spend more time lurking and improving builds until they gain confidence to join the fun. I remember the conversation we had Mitch and our answer is still the same as it was back then. The contest we have here are probably a little more strict than in other places. We had to do that early on to give the forum structure because it had just started. Any contest you join here, on another forum, or in real life will have rules. That's just the way contests are. It's what makes them fair or unfair. Ours have always been fair. There are many builders here that post their work and don't enter contest and that is fine as well. While we would love to see 20+ entries, we are happy and extremely grateful that we get the participation we do. The contest are just for fun. They aren't for everyone and that's fine also. We've been pretty steady with the number this year. There were a couple of themes that we did nt get too much participation from but we are thinking ahead and, still at this time, have open polls for themes for next year. We've had 31 member vote so far. Will they all participate? Nope, but it will be the themes they want to see to maybe learn from and try out themselves. Many folks look for help and ask questions, others just post and get recommendations but at the end of the day, everyone is here to have fun building. You mentioned something that really caused me to respond, though. You stated "We don't award big enough prizes to encourage underhanded activities..." We take great pride in knowing that we are one of the only forums that awards prizes. We don't have to, but Beast and I have have been doing it since day one. We simply think it's a way for us to give back to the members that make this great site what it is. Some folks have donated money to help and others have donated kits to help with that as well. and many have participated in the eBay challenges which also helps out with that. I'm 100% sure that nobody builds for MOTM to "win" a kit. They build for the fun and passion of the hobby. The little competition is just for fun. Some folks build in advance to meet the deadline because of how detailed their builds get. We get it. We like to take our time with our masterpieces. Why not? The next thing you mentioned was you don't have "precious time" to photo-resize and install new apps. To each their own but many here will tell you that once you're set up with the FREE subscription to many of these websites, it takes less time than it did with the uploading function you fell in love with. We don't even ask you to re-size your pics. Lastly, you said "For those who are physically able to dedicate more time and don't have a family to support..." Every single person here has other priorities. That statement you made is not a fair one to any member here. I take personal offense to it. I won't speak for others, but I can tell you that I bust my butt every day to provide for my family and they come first. Before this hobby, before this forum, before anything else. They are my #1 priority. I'm almost sure everyone has a similar feeling. I'm frankly disappointed to have read this post of yours. It's always great to see (or read about) your updates on your builds here. With all the time you spend describing them, I really hope to see some pics of them on here as well. Again I will say that I think most members are here to have fun building. How involved each member wants to be is up them. and I'm ok wit that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 21:42:20 GMT -7
Well said CC and DC. Thanks for the feedback and encouragement.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 16:04:28 GMT -7
GPB: I don't think this issue is solely centered around new members. If you remember; you, Ice and I had a discussion concerning the rules about MOTM contests and the pre-competition secrecy. I lost a total of 4 builds due to the fine print (IMO) concerning the fact if you, as a new member or even average member have to take a multitude of special precautions in order to qualify for MOTMs. I like to build models and I have friends here. I enjoy sharing my progress and answering questions on techniques to help others as well as asking myself. Whether it be fear of plagarism pre-MOTM or keeping entries under wraps for some other reason, I have now bowed out of MOTMs because I feel the rules undermine the "friendly" nature of the site. We don't award big enough prizes to encourage underhanded activities and now that our upload feature is gone, it's just not worth it. I have precious little enough time as it is to build without bringing in photo-resizing and installing a new app. I'd rather Paypal Jerries $10 a year for pot to pay for our old upload mechanism. For those who are physically able to dedicate more time and don't have a family to support, I hope participation increases. Maybe new members will spend more time lurking and improving builds until they gain confidence to join the fun. I remember the conversation we had Mitch and our answer is still the same as it was back then. The contest we have here are probably a little more strict than in other places. We had to do that early on to give the forum structure because it had just started. Any contest you join here, on another forum, or in real life will have rules. That's just the way contests are. It's what makes them fair or unfair. Ours have always been fair. There are many builders here that post their work and don't enter contest and that is fine as well. While we would love to see 20+ entries, we are happy and extremely grateful that we get the participation we do. The contest are just for fun. They aren't for everyone and that's fine also. We've been pretty steady with the number this year. There were a couple of themes that we did nt get too much participation from but we are thinking ahead and, still at this time, have open polls for themes for next year. We've had 31 member vote so far. Will they all participate? Nope, but it will be the themes they want to see to maybe learn from and try out themselves. Many folks look for help and ask questions, others just post and get recommendations but at the end of the day, everyone is here to have fun building. You mentioned something that really caused me to respond, though. You stated "We don't award big enough prizes to encourage underhanded activities..." We take great pride in knowing that we are one of the only forums that awards prizes. We don't have to, but Beast and I have have been doing it since day one. We simply think it's a way for us to give back to the members that make this great site what it is. Some folks have donated money to help and others have donated kits to help with that as well. and many have participated in the eBay challenges which also helps out with that. I'm 100% sure that nobody builds for MOTM to "win" a kit. They build for the fun and passion of the hobby. The little competition is just for fun. Some folks build in advance to meet the deadline because of how detailed their builds get. We get it. We like to take our time with our masterpieces. Why not? The next thing you mentioned was you don't have "precious time" to photo-resize and install new apps. To each their own but many here will tell you that once you're set up with the FREE subscription to many of these websites, it takes less time than it did with the uploading function you fell in love with. We don't even ask you to re-size your pics. Lastly, you said "For those who are physically able to dedicate more time and don't have a family to support..." Every single person here has other priorities. That statement you made is not a fair one to any member here. I take personal offense to it. I won't speak for others, but I can tell you that I bust my butt every day to provide for my family and they come first. Before this hobby, before this forum, before anything else. They are my #1 priority. I'm almost sure everyone has a similar feeling. I'm frankly disappointed to have read this post of yours. It's always great to see (or read about) your updates on your builds here. With all the time you spend describing them, I really hope to see some pics of them on here as well. Ice: You missed the point of every single opinion I made. I was going to go through step by step rebuttal, but it's not worth it. Those who've kept up with me through PM's know of my disabilities, my difficulty providing for my family on social security and my use of this hobby as a way to keep from going crazy from pain. There are others here and elsewhere who suffer as well as I and it presents challenges when trying to complete a build even with 6 months lead time for a contest. Have you ever seen a finished car of mine posted here (other than the Nova which was my first real attempt a detailing)? I don't trust applications being loaded on my computer that exchange information as I was a programmer for over 30 years under severe security. FWIW, after my response I decided to throw caution to the wind and try FOTKI. I'm still struggling with it, but if you want to see what my capabilities produced in over a years time, go here: public.fotki.com/Mitchp/ Sadly, I think the pace of this site, the rules, the many contests and voting expectations have created a community I cannot keep up with. 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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 16:19:09 GMT -7
Don't want to see you go, Mitch. Not participating in contests is no reason to quit. I understand 100% the challenges you are facing and I know they can prevent you from being in the hobby as much as you'd like. I respect you tons for being able to get through it and express how you feel. I would love for you to stick around. And youre already there now that you have Fotki.
Your builds look amazing. Folks here will applaud and learn from these builds. Not sure if you will try it but here are the next steps to take to share the pics on your threads here:
1. Click on the pic you want to share
2. Click on Share on top right of the pic and then click on "More sharing options"
3. Now on the bottom you have a list of links. Copy all of the one that is for forums
4. Paste it to your thread and VOILA!!
The great thing is that, that same code will work for you to share pics on MCM!
How are you going to deny your fellow members the opportunity to see thes great builds you have created?! Lot of folks have been following your threads. NOw it's tiem for you to post them in the competed section....
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Post by Grandpabeast on Jul 20, 2014 16:33:04 GMT -7
Mitchp I am sorry, you feel that way. There are lots of members how struggle with physical problems we have one guy that does all his building laying down. The pace here is day to day I dont complain if members dont show up for days at a time I know we all have lives outside of JsCs. The contests the are not for everyone. I personally have only built like four new cars this year and two of them were started last year. The idea of JsCs is to help, teach and learn from each other. The voting expectations i guess is on me because I see that we get 30 to 50 members here each day ( not all the same ones either ) and I just dont understand why they dont vote when they are here. If two guys enter a contests and they are the only ones who vote what fun is that, but if 100 people vote you can take some pride in that.Creating a community you cannt keep up with, i guess I dont understand. No is forcing you to build or enter contests, we dont have rules stating you must be at the site for a curtain amount of time. It is all what makes you happy. I wish you would reconsider leaving, go if you must and take as much time as you need, we will always be here and you are always welcome. I am truly sorry we didnt live up to your expectations, but I would still ( an pm if you like ) like to know the details of your complaint. And would like to see your step by step rebuttal as that is the only way I can make this abetter place.
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