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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2013 12:43:06 GMT -7
So I was fortunate enough to be invited to this modeling club, and really enjoy it. When I first arrived, I spoke about the Ferarri 599 I was building. Well since then I cracked the windshield, ruined the paint job, and glue bombed it. I moved along to my next project, an 01 Tamiya Subaru Impreza WRC. It was fun at first, got P/E parts for it, went with a black and gold theme, got the chassis looking great, and the body paint wasn't terrible. Then I got to the windshield and screwed that all up. Not to mention I had to order spare parts and decals from Tamiya that I ruined. Well now, I learned with experience that while thinner will remove excess paint on windshields, it will smudge and there's no way that I know of to repair it. Now, I have to order even more parts. To say I am feeling frustrated and helpless is a fair statement. My next car on deck is a 67 Mustang GT-500, with a custom engine I got from Kevin @ Missing Link resin. Now, I'm terrified of building anything. In my 6 months of getting back into the hobby. I've had two successful models for a novice, and two bombs. I am going to do my utmost to get the Subaru right as its a gift. The ferrari I've given up on and if anyone wants a glue bomb with the remaining decals and parts, you can have it free.
Can someone please help? All you guys who make just masterful works? Don't you ever get frustrated? How do you overcome your fears of screwing up a paint job, a sanding, a cutting, a build. I feel really alone right now, and that's a shame because I truly LOVE the hobby. The work is therapeutic and the reward for me is building the model I am always giving to someone as a gift.
What do you do to overcome model building failures?
Sorry for my rant, I hope this post is in the right place.
Much respect,
schwack
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Post by wheaton79chris on Oct 2, 2013 12:59:45 GMT -7
Since I only post online I try to hide any mistakes by taking pics from certain angles. As long as I'm happy with what I've built is all that counts. Hope that helps
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Post by Grandpabeast on Oct 2, 2013 13:18:23 GMT -7
Trust me everyone of the so called "Masters" has muffed a build ! I have a junkyard of oops and oh shoots !! Thing is just never give up. You know what you want to do you just have to get it done. I think I ruined four bodies before finally getting a good looking top chop. I learned more by my own attempts and failures then I did reading a how to. Dont get me wrong the how tos really help and get you on a good start. But just because I read a book on pin stripping doesnt mean I am then going to set up a booth at the next car show and start painting! Start small, have the right tools ( a rotary tool was the best money i ever spent ) and never force yourself to build models. You should want to build. I run down those stairs like a lil kid on christmas morning and some times i dont come up till its dark !
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Post by Grandpabeast on Oct 2, 2013 13:21:03 GMT -7
Trust me everyone of the so called "Masters" has muffed a build ! I have a junkyard of oops and oh shoots !! Thing is just never give up. You know what you want to do you just have to get it done. I think I ruined four bodies before finally getting a good looking top chop. I learned more by my own attempts and failures then I did reading a how to. Dont get me wrong the how tos really help and get you on a good start. But just because I read a book on pin stripping doesnt mean I am then going to set up a booth at the next car show and start painting! Start small, have the right tools ( a rotary tool was the best money i ever spent ) and never force yourself to build models. You should want to build. I run down those stairs like a lil kid on christmas morning and some times i dont come up till its dark !
As for some of your problems do take a look at our how tos and see if they cant get you right. I have actually wet sanded glue off of glass and buffed it back to shiny clear. It was very time consuming and I wouldnt want to do it again but that glass was very hard to find , if I could have just ordered another I would have.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2013 13:41:20 GMT -7
Man oh man! I'm sure everyone here has glue bombed, ruined paint jobs, and straight out slammed kits on the floor or wall out if frustration. To me its part of a learning process. Well not the slamming part. I agree with beast about the how to's and tutorials. They are a great foundation but not until you practice it will you get better at it. Take the mustang I finished for the torque wheel contest. I screwed up the windshield big time. I knew that if I invest the time I might have possible saved it. Did I even attempt to do so? Nope. Took the easy and expensive way out and purchased another kit. But I learned along the way how not to treat a windshield. My advice for all clear parts is as soon as you open the kit wrap them in tissue paper and tape them up until you need them close to the end of your build and when u do take those parts out do not use super glue or anything strong. Sometimes the fumes are strong enough to haze the clear parts. Use Elmer's clear glue or testors clear glue. They both dry clear. It take longer to them to dry but it's worth it. There's a tutorial here on a little gadget you can make to hold the windshield in place. The paint job issue. This has evaded builder after builder after builder. You'll see us asking for help and almost everyone has a different way of painting and or fixing screw ups. Try a couple and see what works. Same with a simple paint job. Find what works for you and stick to it. If you need help as soon as a screw up happens take pictures and post. Sometime we can give advice depending on what we see. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't too. Don't give up. This hobby shouldn't cause you aggravation. 2 out of 4 isn't bad at all. Overall that's probably night than my percentage. Which remind me the scrap box is getting full again. I think it's time to empty it out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2013 14:39:35 GMT -7
Thank you everyone for the encouragement. I read a lot of how to's and watch a lot of instructional videos. And there are something I'm getting better at, some I still have a ways to go. I guess I just need to keep my expectations realistic. What do you guys do to cool off or take a break? Do you? Right now I feel like I have to build the 56 Shelby, and I don't want to have to do it, like you said Grandpabeast. I want to enjoy it like Christmas morning again. Building models is so much fun and is so rewarding. I just feel like the row of screw ups knocked me for a loop. Thanks again for any advice you have guys. I'm fortunate to be a part of this really giving group!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2013 16:12:16 GMT -7
whenever i feel like i "have to" build something i don't even go in the modeling room. if i'm not feelin it, it ain't gonna turn out any good so i don't bother. sometimes the source of frustration will go in the box until i'm ready to try again. i have partially complete builds that are 5 or more years old. sometimes starting or working on a different project for a bit helps, biggest reason i usually have 4or5 projects goin at once. paintjobs?!? ha! sometimes i'm lucky if a clear coat goes on, if the paint looks smooth-ish and shiny-ish...then i'm good:) course i don't do shows and like chris "artful photography angles" are standard practice around here too but mostly i just build to please my own eye and i'll advise that you should too oh and remember...we are our own worst critics
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2013 17:35:41 GMT -7
Our own worst critics...definitely! Need a break? Take one. Put your builds back in the box and put them aside. Go in once in a while to check that they haven't built themselves up. Because I can almost guarantee that they won't. You'll get an idea or see something in a a magazine or tv or on the street and you'll come back. If you can't finish what you have started at this time start something else. Like Knarf said nothing wrong with having started kits lying around.
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Post by Skip-O-Matic on Oct 2, 2013 19:35:18 GMT -7
Don't let it get you down, it's only aggravation. Grandpa, Ice, Wheaton, and Knarf have pretty much given the best advice. For me the biggest source of frustration comes when I push a build too hard, try to do too much too fast. Like knarf and Iceman, that's why I may have multiple builds so I can be doing something while another sits drying or whatever. Usually if I just take a break when frustration raises it's ugly head, and I do make it ugly, I can come back later and everything works like it is supposed to. So I'm going to leave you with what I have told my boys when they were growing up and other people who inquire;
1) A professional is one who can make his mistakes look or work like it's supposed to be that way.
2) The better someone is at something, the more mistakes they had to make to get there. So if they are really really good, there is a landfill of mayhem and carnage somewhere.
3) If you don't make mistakes you will never truly learn anything.
4) Books and video are great for knowledge, but skill is only learned from hands on experience and experimentation.
5) Never give up
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Post by CustomMuscle on Oct 3, 2013 1:20:25 GMT -7
Ditto with all the above advice. Man I trashed a body so bad just last week I threw it away. The big thing is learn from mistakes and try and find an answer before you start again. The best stuff I've used for cleaning clear parts is Novus scratch remover and polish. It works awesome takes off paint and almost anything and polishes the glass part at the same time. When I screw up I just SLOOOOOOW DDDOWN and build slowly take my time and just maybe play around with just building an engine or something. Using super-glue or CA glues and zip kicker can save you frustration trying to get parts to stick together. Zip kicker causes C A glues to dry instantly and you only have to use very very little glue. It helps a lot with parts you don't want to hold together until glue drys. Paint issues....prep prep prep always get your body totally ready....sanded before paint. Also use name brand paints together when you start mixing brands you may put a hotter paint over something less hot and it will crinkle and break up previous layers. Basically though TAKE YOUR TIME it's the hardest thing to do, but it's the best thing to do. And yes we've ALL PROBABLY SCREWED UP MORE BUILDS THAN SUCCESSES. At least I have ;)Hang in there start simple and then grow from there. Don't give up Schwack modelings like life, it all gets better eventually.
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Post by Grandpabeast on Oct 3, 2013 5:04:41 GMT -7
Man this thread right here shows what a brotherhood we have as modelers and what a family we have become here on Jerry's Cherry's !!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 8:25:11 GMT -7
Thanks all all of you, so very much for all this helpful advice. It really helps put things back into perspective and is truly appreciated. Especially coming from each of you who are so good at what you do and understanding even you had made bricks a time or three. You guys are awesome, and I can't thank you enough!
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Post by wheaton79chris on Oct 3, 2013 13:41:31 GMT -7
Were all here for a common theme, our love of models
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2013 16:20:48 GMT -7
it's all good, I just got back into it myself. I too have a tale of 'oh nuts!', started over as you can see, but I learned a valuable lesson. now, after I get the orange peel out of it, i'll have learned another lesson. I do it for relaxation, if it goes south, I do it again and learn. biggest thing I have learned with models so far, is almost anything can be un-done, sure it's more work, but it isn't a complete waste of a kit. what's red green say, i'm pullin for ya, we're all in this together. [or something to that effect]
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2013 19:36:13 GMT -7
Thanks so much tbill!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 17:20:12 GMT -7
Just adding on to what everyone is saying because I agree with every word and feel your frustration. I usually drop everything and take a breather. Sometimes a few days, and then get back to it. Don't flip when you mess something up. Sometimes the frustration will cloud our vision, and when we take a break and come back to it we can clearly see how to fix it. I receive lots of positive feedback and compliments on my interiors, but there was not one build that went perfect.
Keep your head up and just remember we are all here for you and know exactly what you're going through.
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