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Post by Grandpabeast on Jun 1, 2016 10:20:03 GMT -7
Wow, three years ! its hard to believe. 535 Members !! Wow !!
First off I need to thank Iceman, this is all his fault !! Ha ha , no but really . I have never met him face to face but yet he is like my best friend. We met over three years ago on a sight and started chatting it up. We talked about everything, from family to cars, we talked about models and model clubs. We talked about how there should be no pressure and that members should help each other, we talked about contests and how there should be a prize ( over the last three years JsCs has given away over 100 kits and model related items ), we talked about giving everyone a place to buy and sell without having to use Ebay. Well believe it or not we both got kicked off that sight and barred for life ! That is when I told Iceman that I was going to start Jerrys Cherrys, he encouraged me and even said if you need any help let me know. And from there its been history. With the help of my friend we have built what I think is the best site out there. The only one I know that gives two prizes a month, will not stand for bullying, and the members are the best builders and most helpful you will find. I thank the members for making this a brotherhood and following the rules. Look what we have built ! It is truly amazing.
We have some rule changes for next year. These will not go into effect until January 1, 2017 but that gives us six months to talk about and understand them. Copies will be added to both sets of rules ( New Rules for 2017 for All Contests MOTM and Bracket Racing ) These rule changes are meant to encourage participation and get more building from our new members as well that are still working on improving their skills. Please do not take this personal, its not directed at anyone or set up to hurt anyone but we are trying to encourage participation and keep all members actively involved.
1. If your model wins any contest on JsCs it is automatically not eligible as a future entry for any other contest. (so if you enter MOTM and lose you can still enter Bracket Racing but if you win that is it. )
2. Winners of any contest will be asked to sit out the following month. So if you win a contest, lets say Bracket race for May, you will not be eligible to win any contest in June. This will require some planning if June is Gasser month and you really want to be in it, you might not want to enter in May because if you win you will be ineligible. Same goes for special 3 month contests, if that contest ends in June your car will become ineligible if you win in May)
3. With the cost of kits and shipping cost and the slow down in donations prizes will be at the discretion of the admins. Prizes will still be given out but it might be a magazine or tools or anything modeling related. For some of our friends overseas, we will recommend a $15 deposit into your paypal account (So set one up if you don't have one yet)
4. When you enter any contest it is up to you to make sure that the required pictures are the first pictures you post. Any car not having the required pictures in the correct order will be not allowed to compete and will be disqualified. do to "mechanical failure". Required 8 pics as follows in that order:
1.One nice picture showing the entire car showcasing it as a whole (this is what we will use for the banner when you win)
2.Driver's Side
3.Front
4.Passenger Side
5.Rear
6.Interior
7.Chassis
8.Engine Bay
5. lastly we again ask that as members of Jerrys Cherrys we make sure that we vote honestly and fairly. dont just vote for friends, vote for the best car. Be fair when voting. Use the scoring sheets and be picky. If they dont have the required picture that would be a 0, if the pictures are not good that is a deduction. Look the whole model over and judge based on what has been done, don't be so quick to give the WOW factor the win. Be good judges.
Ok folks that about raps it up, feel free to ask questions or talk about any of the rule changes. Continue to keep doing just what you have been doing , remember you are what makes this a great site !
Grandpabeast
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Post by jmccann630 on Jun 1, 2016 14:46:07 GMT -7
Happy 3rd Birthday to Jerry's Cherry's! Everything you said about this club was right Beast. Its a great club with a lot of great and talented members. Thanks for everything Beast and Ice! praising-the-lord-smiley-emoticon
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 5:26:23 GMT -7
I have to agree, i have been on about 5 forums over the years, but this is the one i build for, and show case everything i do on. Yes, i still frequent my local forum, but everything gets its debut, and full build up here. Thank you Joel and David for creating, in my opinion, the best model forum out there. The new rules make perfect sense i think, personally i don't care if i win or don't, i just love building...  Bracket racing i like to make up the numbers, as the more the better, it is a great way to showcase an old build. I hope the new rules does encourage some of the newer members to have a go at the MOTM, it can be daunting when your still learning and getting experience, and that will lead to more active members hopefully. Thanks heaps guys, for making this place HOME !! praising-the-lord-smiley-emoticon |
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Post by Doc O on Jun 2, 2016 12:25:10 GMT -7
WOW is it 3 years already..guess so its been 3 years for me and my new hunny....Happy Birthday Jerrys
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Post by sharp on Jun 2, 2016 17:44:56 GMT -7
I have to agree with everything that was said,this sure is a great club and I'm
having a lot of fun being part of it.I could just be building for myself down in
my basement,but being part of this club makes modeling a lot more fun.I think
changing the rules is a great idea and I think it will get more members involved
and that's a great thing for the club.
HAPPY THIRD YEAR JERRY'S CHERRY'S AND THANKS GB AND ICE FOR EVERYTHING YOU GUYS DO!!! hand-clapping-smiley-emoticon
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 18:45:17 GMT -7
BIG congrats on making three years! The decline in interest at a number of model building sites makes us all appreciate the efforts by those who keep the good ones like this, going strong! Thanx to all who help keep this site alive and well!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 11:47:47 GMT -7
I'm very glad I jumped into this venture with David. It's been great getting to know everyone and seeing everyone skills improve and grow. glad to be part of this!
thank you all for the support
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 12:16:36 GMT -7
I have to say i agree with everything that has been said.everything and everyone. This is by far the best site / forum. People are great quality of work is great. Ice is thanking the wrong people you two have done all the work and made it all happen i wish there was a better way for me to say and give thanks for all the hard work by both of you and anyone else that i dont know about including you family for putting up with the loss of you time with them while working on JC's.
I'm sure there will be many more good years to come .Thank you.
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Post by CoyoteCrunch on Jun 8, 2016 19:36:36 GMT -7
Happy Birthday JC's
Thank you for bringing back the inspiration to build
Thank you for the friends i have made
Thank you GB and Ice for everything you do - this site means so much more than modeling to me
Thank you and Happy Birthday - wishing many more wonderful years
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Post by tubbs on Jun 27, 2016 9:41:39 GMT -7
happy birthday JC!!!
all the rule changes seem fine to me. thanks for having the prizes. and I know all of them were aimed at me directly because boy oh boy, if I EVER finish up a kit, I'd be CLEANING HOUSE!!! and after the house was clean, I may even post my finished build here!!
seriously, thanks you JC and all it's members, without you all, JC wouldn't hit the stride it's at right now. thanks, Beast, thanks Ice!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 11:12:05 GMT -7
Ditto , with all the above..
This is one GREAT CLUB AND SOME AWESOME MEMBERS.
Thanks Once again to Ice and Beast for having the insight and longing to do such a GREAT thing as this Club...Job Well Done Guys !!!!
Have been really slow at builds lately , but that is just me .
Still totally enjoy this place and will get back into the swing of things here soon . Looking forward to new Contest's and the good times they bring with them ..
Hope many more Years to go yet...
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Post by Grandpabeast on Jun 27, 2016 12:13:34 GMT -7
Thanks everyone , I sure I can speak for IceMan when I say its been our honor to run JsCs and its you guys who make the club great. Again thanks IceMan and I promise one day we will meet face to face and have a beer or two !!
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Post by AK on Jul 15, 2016 11:24:11 GMT -7
David, I total agree with having to take more pictures from more angles for judging purposes. Also, not being able to win 2 months in a row is a great idea, however I would suggest that you modify the rule slightly. As stated if I win this month (any contest) that I should not enter anything next month ( any contest ). I think it would work much better to allow everyone to still build, take pictures, and post during the next month after a win just let it be known that when it comes time for voting that if you won anything last month (any contest) that none of you models will be moved to the "cast your vote" section. I'm sure I am not the only one here who builds most things well in advance, and I currently have models for future MOTM's already finished or in the final stages. I would hate to win the first one and not even have a chance to show off the other. Thanks all the work you and Joel put into this site! And, happy 3rd JC!
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Post by CoyoteCrunch on Jul 16, 2016 6:52:33 GMT -7
I agree with Alan, as I myself am planning to build for the future, (next year) as well.
But I wonder if the rule could be "tweaked" a bit if you will.....
Lets say, in January, a person wins the bracket races - could that winner just sit out the bracket race for February, instead of ALL contests?
This way, the member could still enter the February MOTM or other contest?
Basically, whatever category of contest you win, you would only be limited the following month by that same category, not ALL categories
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 2:06:41 GMT -7
I have just re-read some of the rule changes, i agree with if you win, your not eligible next month, don't have a problem with that, BUT, this will stop me
from entering anything in the bracket racing, because if i win, i can no longer enter the MOTM.. Maybe, MOTM negates MOTM, and bracket race negates bracket race etc..
for somebody like myself, who just loves to build, why would i want to eliminate myself with something i have already built, and it stops me from enjoying the next months build off.
The prize is not the issue here, i would not care if i never received another prize, i just love to build and be a part of the builds and this forum.
Just something to ponder, as it will also stop some of the regular builder from entering bracket racing too..
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Post by Big D on Sept 11, 2016 11:42:46 GMT -7
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! I personally am very grateful to Joel and David for this forum. I'm a loner and a little anti-social by nature and had trouble with other forums in the past and decided not to belong to any forums. When Joel invited me to join this one I wasn't too excited about it and really didn't think my builds were good enough to show anybody. Obviously I did join and it has turned out to be one of the best things I have done. I have made some great friends and my modeling skills have improved greatly from all the help I have received from the great members in here.
God Bless This Forum.
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Post by Grandpabeast on Sept 11, 2016 16:47:17 GMT -7
AK,CC, and DeeCee i do understand your position but let me explain. That is the reason for the rules change. Lets use DeeCee and Sharp as an example,based on your guys win streak doing it your way you two could just change off ( MOTM and Bracket Race ) each month and it would still leave everyone else out. The idea is to force winners to sit out a month so even if you two guys win it will always leave at least one contest open for a new winner. Keep in mind Bracket Racing was set up for the builders who cant meet deadlines. They are able to build and take as long as they want, then plug it into a theme that fits on Bracket Racing. MOTM is more for the hard core builder who can pick a theme and then build a model to fit in a set time frame. Of course some have figured out that they can pre build as long as they dont post any pictures. I my self have built some models months in advance ( Im currently working on one for 2017 ) Im just too busy.
This does force you to choice the contest you think you have the best chance of winning ( a three month build January to March , March Theme MOTM or March Bracket Race Theme ) because you can only win one and if you are in all three then you get the prize of the first one won and you are pulled from the other two contests. This opens the door for other new builders and i feel new builders may enter MOTM or Bracket Race more if some of the " always winners " are not entering because they choose a different contest say a three month build. I really dont want to put a cap on prizes won.
This brings up another subject. Thats Voting. Me and Ice have had several complaints both by competitors and by members who just show up to vote. They claim that some times the cars are not equal which there is really nothing we can do about that. The requirement is to build to a set theme. As long as the contestants do that they are good to go. The other is the voting its self and I must agree there has been some questionable voting . Again all we can ask is that everyone use the voting sheet, do not vote for someone just because they are a friend. In the case of bracket racing always vote the best model, dont vote against someone because you dont want to go against them in the next round. In order for us to continue we must be fair to all. Now here is an example of questionable voting.
In a recent Bracket race two fine cars competed. I do it like boxing. A ten point must system. In each category , let's say paint I pick the better one give him a 10 and then I score the other between 1 to 9 . A car might win two or three categories but still lose overall. No picture gets you 0 . Car #1 really had the wow factor and for question one exterior body I gave it a 10 the other car looked sorta plane jane but was done very well I gave it an 8 , the next question exterior finish again car #1 was WOW and I gave it a 10 the other car had a very simple but clean paint job I gave it an 8 . Score 20 to 16 . Next question was interior finish car #1 did not include an interior picture instead had an extra body picture, 0 points thus using 10 point must car #2 automatically got a 10. Score 20 to 26, next question was engine compartment , both cars were highly detailed but in a 10 point must system car#1 10 car #2 9 . Score 30 to 35, last question Chassis Finish again both cars were highly detailed I gave car #1 10 and car #2 9 . My final score 40 to 44 car #2 got the win but your scoring was way different. Me and Ice can see the votes and out of 36 voters only 6 voted for car#2 makes me wonder if everyone noticed the lack of interior picture or how they even voted to give car #1 such a land slide victory.
Please, I encourage comments on this as maybe those complaining will join in and speak up.
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Post by Grandpabeast on Sept 13, 2016 6:22:40 GMT -7
Here is a break down of this years winners so far.
MOTM Bracket Racing
January DeeCee Sharp
February Grandpabeast DeeCee
March AK CoyoteCrunch
April DeeCee Sharp
May DeeCee Sharp
June AK Sharp
July IceMan DeeCee
August Sharp Coyote Crunch
September DeeCee AK
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Post by CoyoteCrunch on Sept 13, 2016 8:27:25 GMT -7
WOW!!! two-thumbs-up-smiley-emoticon That list makes me feel awesome!! I am amongst some of the GREATEST builders EVER!!!  smileyCASHS601_zps1c54a9c5 But, I do see what you are saying GB. After seeing this list, you are right in trying to get others more involved, and having more chances. Good idea sir - you got my vote! Get it? Vote? I made a little funny right there!!!  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 15:06:57 GMT -7
I didn't realize that would be the results....
I can see where your coming from now .
I just hope some others do step up and enter AND finish, so that you still get
a reasonable number of builders competing..
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Post by mike0157 on Sept 13, 2016 17:56:30 GMT -7
First off let me wish Jerry's a happy birthday and I can only hope this site is going as strong or even stronger in another three years. Just want to thank Beast and Iceman for such an awesome site and everyone else that make Jerry's such a great site. As far as the contests and winning and not being able to compete in the following month build if you are to win. Personally I can see both sides of the agreement. I can see where that could help but also hurt at the same time . I kinda agree with what someone else was saying if nothing else the previous months winner could build along if they wanted but just couldn't go to the voting polls but they could use that build at some point down the road in the bracket races? I don't know just my two cents.
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Post by AK on Sept 13, 2016 20:09:20 GMT -7
I can see your point and what the new rules are trying to accomplish. Like Mike, I hope it works the way you intend. If the results aren't what you expect then you can try something else. Anyway this is a great site and I hope it continues to grow! hand-clapping-smiley-emoticon
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Post by Grandpabeast on Sept 13, 2016 22:07:41 GMT -7
Thank you guys for understanding and your support. I hope this encourages new contestants and keep in mind the numbers we have now would only drop by two . I would rather see contestants that are sitting out hold on to their build pics and use them on another month if possable, remember motm requires a "new" build.
I think the biggest difference will be if we can get some consistency in our judging. A lot of the complaints seem to surround that and like the example I gave sometimes I agree. I think some voters don't put much thought or judging into their vote. I don't want to be the bad guy who on the day of voting goes threw an dqs contestants for not following rules. I would prefur the voters do their jobs and judge accordingly . I guess we will see how it goes. New rules start first of the year.
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Post by Grandpabeast on Sept 15, 2016 7:21:23 GMT -7
Would anyone be interested in judging say four of my models and then we could all compare scores and discuss what we saw and why we scored them the way we did?
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Post by AK on Sept 15, 2016 9:28:16 GMT -7
Would anyone be interested in judging say four of my models and then we could all compare scores and discuss what we saw and why we scored them the way we did? I'd be game....when judging I've never automatically giving the better feature ( engine, interior etc. ) a 10 then assign a lesser score for the other car. Instead I try to judge each feature against a perfect score. I could change though. |
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Post by mike0157 on Sept 15, 2016 14:51:52 GMT -7
I do have a question? I understand if you win you can't compete in the next month's build.. Would that also be the same say you win motm then and there's new three month build starting the next month. Dose that mean you couldn't build in the three month build? No one has asked so just thought I'd ask.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 15:18:32 GMT -7
Would anyone be interested in judging say four of my models and then we could all compare scores and discuss what we saw and why we scored them the way we did? Would be happy to do that too mate. |
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Post by Grandpabeast on Sept 15, 2016 16:20:12 GMT -7
Mike it all goes by the time of judging. Lets say there is a three month build with a 100.00 prize it ends march 31 and the judging is April 1. Also starting in March , ending march 31 and judging April 1 is the MOTM April with a 50.00 prize and the Bracket Race with a 50.oo prize.
Ok now you can enter all three but on april 1 when judging starts you will only get the prize for the first one that ends. So before you could have won all three now you can only win one ( the first one you win and then your pulled from the other two )and then you must sit out the next months contests.
The other part of this is You start your three month build and its looking like a winner you probably wouldnt want to enter the March MOTM or Bracket Racing because if you win you will have to sit out all April judging. Also it you really want the 100.00 prize you might not want to enter April MOTM and Bracket Race because they might judge faster and if you win that prize 50.00 you would be knocked out of winning any other prize.
Does that make sense to everybody ?
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Post by Grandpabeast on Sept 15, 2016 16:38:44 GMT -7
Ok I will real soon set up a fake contest with four of my cars and a poll. we will judge , vote and then share our scores and our judging secrets . We can talk about it and and see who is doing what.
Example for Bracket Racing ( two cars ) I do a ten point must system meaning the best car on that judging category gets a 10 and then I score the other car against the first to see what it gets. any where from 0 to 9. After I go threw the five judging categories I add my scores. If this ends in a tie then I go to the over all WOW factor. Basically at that point I am picking my personal favorite , but up until that point I have tried to be unbiased and follow the vote sheet catagories. Sometimes the one I personal like when I first look at them doesnt win when the scores are totaled. I try to be tough but fair when judging. Always try and judge the cars equally.And remember the rules. If pics are required and not posted it gets a zero if it is suppose to be street legal and it has no exhaust it gets a zero and if its missing the radiator hose or the drive shaft you have to lower your score accordingly. I personally will give higher scores to cars that have custom body work and hand made parts vs an already chopped resin body or parts already made from after market.
When judging MOTM ( multiple cars ) I use the same method only I go one judging category at a time and i score one car a 10 and the rest get 0-9 and yes more then one car can get a 9 or an 8 or a 7 but only one gets a 10. After doing all categories I total my scores.
Lastly I am equally as hard if not harder on my own builds. Most times my car does not win my judging score , thats just the way it is.
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