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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 10:50:54 GMT -7
Im trying to get my ducks in a row for the firebird build and decided to try out some of this Createx paint before i actually apply it to the car. I started with a white sheet of model plastic. Primed it with white Dupicolor auto primer. It dried for about a week or more. I dont remember but im pretty sure I sanded with 3000 grit sand paper and put it away for a couple more days. The other day I sprayed the card with the silver at 45 psi straight from the bottle, as the instructions indicated. I threw in my dry box and let it sit for about 36hours. It sprayed out decent, could probably have used another coat and was slightly ruff to the touch. I decided to do a quick sand with the 3000 again and the paint basically just came off. My best guess is that maybe I used too fine a sand paper to prep? Should I have even sanded to begin with? Did I miss something?    |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 14:23:05 GMT -7
I have the Auto Air paint which are pretty much the same thing. I don't think you need to sand primer, first off all. You need something for the paint to grab on to. Big dirt particles, yes, but all of it? No. For the paint, they looked very thick to me to spray right out of the jar. My plan is to thin it down and do light coats. I hope you figure out because it'll be a learning experience for too.
I do know there is someone here that used that paint before. Mike (Sharp), I think?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 14:59:08 GMT -7
I always lightly sand the plastic, what ever it is, usually with some worn out 2000 grit,just so the paint has something to grab on to.
Then duplicolor primer will stick to near anything. As for the createx, never used it, i stick to auto paints, i know what they will and wont do.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 15:10:28 GMT -7
Found my problem. I suppose I ought to make a complaint to hobby lobby, they had a whole section of these mixed in with all their Model Master paints in the model section.... Createx paints need to be of the Auto air or Wicked colors Line to work on plastics Also found the instructions on their website for the Auto air and wicked colors. Pretty comprehensive, even surprising in some areas. Createx application guide |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 16:34:02 GMT -7
I don't know why you seem so determined to get a good finish using only a single coat of paint. I'm not as experienced as many of the folks here, but I'm pretty sure this is your main problem and not the paint. Here's a decent finish I got using craft paint. Sounds like the Createx is similar to craft paint in that it's intended for pretty much any king of surface.  It worked as well as it did because I sprayed multiple light coats, letting it build up nice and smooth, then sprayed multiple coats of clear. No sanding. Here's the Mustang I'm working on now. This is a coat of regular primer, a coat of the Auto Air white sealer, and three coats of the Auto Air orange. I actually could have sprayed another couple of coats of orange. Once I've done the detail painting it will get clear coated and waxed. It won't be a "glass" finish, but it should look OK. If if decide to take the time to polish it a bit, it should look pretty good.  Sanding/polishing removes paint, so you have to have enough built up so you don't rub it all off. I would also recommend using masking tape made specifically for modeling, instead of masking tape used for general painting. The model tape gives a better edge (at least for me) and doesn't leave any residue on your paint. You could also try masking liquid, which can be especially handy in places that are difficult to tape. Don't give up. 90% of what I've had to learn so far had to do with painting. The first couple of kits I did I had to strip down and repaint multiple times. After a while I started to get a feel for how to adjust the consistency of the paint, the air brush needle and the air pressure. And my most effective tool by far is patience. |
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Post by sharp on Feb 13, 2016 18:52:06 GMT -7
I have the Auto Air paint which are pretty much the same thing. I don't think you need to sand primer, first off all. You need something for the paint to grab on to. Big dirt particles, yes, but all of it? No. For the paint, they looked very thick to me to spray right out of the jar. My plan is to thin it down and do light coats. I hope you figure out because it'll be a learning experience for too. I do know there is someone here that used that paint before. Mike (Sharp), I think? I found that thinning the createx,craft acrylic paints with liquitex airbrush medium it will spray much smoother,start by thinning 60% paint with 40%liquitex set your air pressure at 25 psi,I use a paasche starter brush I got from e bay for 20.00.spray about 6 inches away from the part, build the paint up with light coats, I also use a hair dryer to dry the paint after each coat,the next day gloss coat or dull coat.Guys do not try to sand these paints with out clear the paint will just peel off |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 20:48:27 GMT -7
Thats why i wanted to try this stuff out on a card rather then on a car, It just seemed like an usual result. I read through the manufacturers guide and read some interesting things so Im gonna keep trying it.
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Post by CoyoteCrunch on Feb 14, 2016 8:10:50 GMT -7
Reading everyone's input, it pretty much comes down to what I have always done.
1. Cleaning the plastic, let air dry completely
2. Primer, important, but only light sanding needed. Good old fashioned, cheapo stuff - flat white from Wal-Mart works great for just about any kind of paint.
3. Paint - no matter what kind, rattle can, air brush, (of which I have yet to really get into), several light mist coats, with a couple heavier, ending wet coats. Then wet sand lightly. If more paint needed, again, light and several coats. Then the clear, following the same procedure. Usually 2 light coats, and one heavier wet coat. Then polish.
I will probably be in the same boat you are in once I get after air brushing more. The learning process can seem a bit overwhelming.
I know DC and Ice are wanting to shoot me in the face with a bazooka, because I have yet to really get into the air brush world. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 15:31:17 GMT -7
You got me curious about the Createx paints so I ordered one of the opaque colors to try out on my next mediocre build.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 15:42:41 GMT -7
Which one did you order? Was it one of the Auto Airs? Id be curious how yours turns out. I've been too busy to get in the shop and do anything.
The weird thing about paint models is that its the opposite of what I know. When i see painter painting full size cars, they do full coats, it might be a light covering, but for the most part the entire car has color the first spray. So when people say really light coats, I understand it as just one pass, with a 1/4 coverage. Too me that feels ruff to the touch and continuing would only make it worse as the paint is compounded on those spots.
After reading a lot of what you guys are saying it seems that what I know is wrong or at least it doesn't translate to models very well
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Post by sharp on Feb 14, 2016 16:39:28 GMT -7
Guys,the best way to find out how to use this Createx paint is to go on UTUBE
that's how I found out how to use this paint on models,lots of great tips on there.
I use this paint now with no problem,great stuff!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 16:42:58 GMT -7
I got the Createx, which is general purpose (multi surface) paint. The Auto Air line are automotive paints, and that's what I used on the orange Mustang. Except for the Mustang I've used craft paints, which is what I suspect the Createx paints are. Figured I may as well try them.
Yes, the first coat will certainly have color. It should just barely cover the primer. The paint should be just thin enough to flow nice and evenly through the airbrush at low to medium air pressure, but not so thin that it runs, or so thick that it sputters and slotches. I find that a .5mm needle works well for most paint, but sometimes I'll use an .8mm for paints with very heavy pigment. Craft paint pretty much always needs thinning, but the Auto Air sprayed nicely right out of the bottle. Ideally the paint will go on evenly and self level as the moisture evaporates. Keep applying light coats until you see complete coverage...no primer showing through. Subsequent coats can be a bit heavier as you build up more of a gloss.
I should have the Createx paint early in the week. I'll post pics of how the spraying goes.
Ditto what Sharp says about Youtube...tons of great videos on all aspects of model building. smiley-greet016
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