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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 10:03:41 GMT -7
Here's a good topic for discussion and something I'm interested in knowing for my current projects.
How frowned upon is it to put a big block chevy in a ford, for example or vice a versa. I see hot rods, mainly fords, with viper engines, and vette engines and Hemi engines and all sorts of fabricated stuff. I mean is there a rule of thumb to follow? I know plastic is just plastic, and I can put in a scooter engine into a monster truck, but for 1:1 accuracy, how do I decide? I understand that at the end of the day, the build is my own but would like to get your thoughts on this.
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Post by jbailey on Nov 5, 2014 10:27:56 GMT -7
Even in the 1:1 world its just metal, if you have a good welder and a cutting torch you can do anything. On a 1:1 rat rod site there's a guy putting a SBC in a 1997 Ford F150 because he can't afford a replacement 4.6 for it lol. Basically if you're OK with it morally then more power to ya!
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Post by CoyoteCrunch on Nov 5, 2014 11:51:04 GMT -7
We take our Camaro to ALOT of car shows each year, and a big rule of thumb that we see most often, is Ford trucks with Chevy power plants. Of which I can agree - I think the older Ford pickup trucks look better than the old Chevy styles, BUT the Chevy power plants fit and work so well in these old trucks. Past that............... Rat rods, specialty builds, etc - people generally use whatever they want. Vette's in car shows almost have some kind of vette power plant Belair's Impala's, etc - usually stick to their Chevy power plants Ford torinos, mustangs, cougars, etc usually stick to their Ford power plants. Chargers, Cudas, etc ALWAYS stick to Mopar engines VW's almost always stick to their lawn mower motors in the back, Lol
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 12:15:13 GMT -7
Have seen a VW with a small block Chevy in it and a old Rambler with a Hemi in it..
So I would say the rule is WHATEVER YOU ARE HAPPY WITH. Engine swap's are pretty much
owners preference....Years back GM was putting Chevy engines in Oldsmobile's and Pontiac's.
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Post by Skip-O-Matic on Nov 5, 2014 17:06:57 GMT -7
Yeah, there really isn't any rules written on stone tablets anywhere.
1950's and older vehicles it is open season for whatever you want.
When you get 1960's and newer it really only seems to matter with muscle cars whether the engine is Ford in Ford, Chevy in Chevy, and so on.
Corvettes keep at least some Chevy V8 or you go missing and your body never found. Corvette people can get kind of crazy like that.
Currently it seems 5.3 liter and 6.0 liter Chevy/GMC truck engines are getting put into everything. Two of my hot rodding buddies just did 5.3 transplants in their 1:1 vehicles. One is a 1966 Nova wagon and the other a 1946 Ford pickup.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 18:07:54 GMT -7
Ice, persoanlly you know i'ma Hemi fanatic. EVERYONE knows it 'bout me.....
Rule of thumb?
What type car? what type NON brand motor do ya have" and do you have the metal cutting and welding experience to put it in? Then in real 1:1, do you know a good machine shop? As you use a Chevy motor in a Frd truck thst has a Ford rear end in it, you'll need the drive shaft machined to get the U-Joints to connect as they all aren't the same, PLUS the drive shaft might need cut and re-welded on the end to shorten it to fit, OR vice-versa to lengthen it..........Machine shops do A LOT more then just bore and stroke an engine (you can stroke a motor right in your shed if ya wanted too. BUT boring it is a whole OTHER ball game!
Then say you have a '29 Ford Model T.. BUT you have a Mopar '68 426 Hemi, WILL it fit? MAYBE, BUT the better question is, will the FRAME handle the weight of it in the front? BEEF up the frame rails! THEN what suspension you have planned for the front? WILL THAT withstand the 426 weight? BEEF IT UP IF IN QUESTION.......
Then you have to think of the rear, whats the best choice? Me, on a rat rod? Ford 9 inch..... LOTS of them made, easy to get and all sorts of custom gearing for them!
Then the other question is...... *GULP* budget, can you afford what you have planned to do, by paying a garage, or by doing it yourself, BUT your still gonna need a minor bit of machine work done!
But like Jesse said as you said we're only plastic on plastic......... same with real 1:1, its just metal on metal.....
As for muscle car era, YES most people that has a car does the best they can to keep the power in that car the same as the manufacturer, NO MATTER what power plan that might be, it normally will be the same make as the car itself.......
As for what Skippy said, the Chevy transplants, I know of about 7 people right now transplanting new Hemi's in older cars......Mater of fact I know where there sits a '70 Plymouth Roadrunner thats getting a NEW 6.1 Hemi in it with variable timing! That same car? has a RUNNING '70 Mopar 383 in it....I have pictures of the car BEFORE it was in the garage its at for this work to begin! I also know of a '68 Dodge Dart, thats gonna get a 5.7 Hemi in it. and then a '71 Duster with a NEW Mopar 5.9L Magnum (AKA 360 Magnum). So yeah....Then I know where there sits a '58 GMC pick up, thats getting a LS-6 in it super charged......PURDY truck, painted yeller, and is about 4 feet off the ground to boot! 4X4.
IF I had the choice? my '67 would have a 6.4L Magnum Hemi in "392".. if I were really lucky, the new 6.2L Magnumn Hemi "Hellcat" rated at 707 horsepower.. but yeah, I'm dreamin! big-drooling-smiley-emoticon
I'll keep the ole fashioned 383 thats in it with the super 9 speed shift kit on an Allison transmission!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 19:43:14 GMT -7
My view is "IF IT FITS, IT WILL WORK!". I have a friend down here who is at the moment putting a hot LS1 chev
into his 928 Konig Porsche, twice the power for about 1/10th of the price, a V10 is a good fit for anything as long as it
fits in, a Chev or a Hemi, is always a good upgrade, as for dropping a ford motor into something else, well.
why go backwards i reckon. smiley-confused005
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 1:12:56 GMT -7
Agree'd ---^
If it fits, USE IT!!!!!
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Post by stitchdup on Nov 8, 2014 5:30:32 GMT -7
At the moment in the Uk there is a drag series for bugs with non bug engines. Suburu engines seem to be quite popular in it, though there is also a big block v8 but its not really a bug anymore.
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Post by jkflash on Nov 9, 2014 21:19:03 GMT -7
I see A LOT of LS style swaps these days. They make motor mounts to put that in just about anything. Years ago my dad and I talked about how we would see small block chevys in everything and the LS engine has taken its place. As far as what engine to put in what car I saw the more weird the better! I see so many LS swaps that when I do see an inline six or a GNX turbo v6 it is a breath of fresh air. I currently am staring at a 1:25 Allison V12 that I keep brainstorming what to throw it in!
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